ironsofcanada
3:28 Mon Jan 8
Re: The Hernandez Dilema
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Hernandez started 14 of 14 Champions League games the two seasons before this one against the likes of Barcelona and Athletico.
This was not a bit player with a middling club.
He did however, start 12 of those 14 games with another striker.
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Jaan Kenbrovin
3:10 Mon Jan 8
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There is something inherently two bob about WHU that sees us fail to make the most of top players. Tevez, Mascherano, Hernandez. Even Zaza is proving how good a player he is that we utterly failed to utilise.
It's fucking embarrassing.
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theaxeman
3:04 Mon Jan 8
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Also i haven't seen as feeble weedy striker since David jelly legs Kelly! Fucking pathetic
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theaxeman
3:02 Mon Jan 8
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Hernandez is a super sub, suited to coming on when man u or Madrid were spanking someone or needing a late goal and dominating. Was a ridiculous vanity signing by us with absolutely no thought in how we would play him. What we need and have done for years is Sakho fit and focused or if not a like for like replacement. Why can't our thick fucking management see that?
Moyes needs to fuck off btw
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El Scorchio
2:59 Mon Jan 8
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Takashi Miike 2:32
TBH I reckon Moyes could conjour up a gameplan that involved much more possession in advanced areas (and make Hernandez 10 times as effective) than currently, if he were given the chance to sign a few capable box to box midfielders who can actually play football, find space and pass and move a bit.
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ironsofcanada
2:56 Mon Jan 8
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stewie griffin 2:51 Mon Jan 8
Stellar. Yourself?
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stewie griffin
2:51 Mon Jan 8
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Alright, Canada son?
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ironsofcanada
2:41 Mon Jan 8
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Takashi Miike 2:32 Mon Jan 8
As with too many things, I live in hope.
Specifically here, that once we have stabilised the other areas, Moyes will try some things offensively that don't always include that many men behind.
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ironsofcanada
2:38 Mon Jan 8
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Northern Sold 2:28 Mon Jan 8
The Zaza deal still bugs me and probably only because I watched him play a bit before the infamous Euros.
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Takashi Miike
2:32 Mon Jan 8
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Hernandez game would improve instantly by not having nine men behind the ball. anyone but Moyes is my new philosophy for 2018
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Northern Sold
2:28 Mon Jan 8
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Whatever you can guarantee his next club... whenever that will be he will whack in loads...
Zaza - 2017– Valencia 14 Apps (10 Goals)
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ironsofcanada
2:23 Mon Jan 8
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PS Will
The Tevez comparison was a joke
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ironsofcanada
2:17 Mon Jan 8
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Willtell 1:48 Mon Jan 8
Come on mate
"That was why we were able to sign a massive name from a middling German team for not too much money. They had problems playing to suit Chicharito too and I doubt there were any other seriously interested PL teams either. "
You are just making stuff up there.
You have no idea how Leverkusen set up or apparently that that middling club were in the Champions League both years Hernandez was there (losing to Athletico in round of 16, his last year)
The whole team struggled in the league his last year there and since he was going into the last year of his contract, there were some reasons to sell. But all the comments from the new manager brought in were basically, - we will absolutely miss his goals but no one is bigger than our club - what managers say when it looks like they are going to lose an important player.
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Willtell
1:48 Mon Jan 8
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ironsofcanada
I think the difference is that Tevez made a massive impact and the problem with Little Pea is that he hasn't.
It wasn't rocket science to see that although Chicharito is a big name striker, WH would need to play to his strengths for the transfer to work. That means he plays in a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 behind or alongside a main striker.
Bilic, and to be fair, most PL managers, play with a lone striker. That was why we were able to sign a massive name from a middling German team for not too much money. They had problems playing to suit Chicharito too and I doubt there were any other seriously interested PL teams either.
A naive manager and Chairman made Bayer Leverkusen's day I suspect...
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Grumpster
1:47 Mon Jan 8
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Excellent striker for a team who create a load of chances in the box.
Useless cunt when balls are kicked 70 yards through the air towards him.
Harry Kane would struggle for goals playing with our diabolical midfield.
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ironsofcanada
1:35 Mon Jan 8
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Willtell 1:30 Mon Jan 8
To be fair Tevez scored 7 goals for us.
Hernandez has scored 4 in half a year
So on pace.
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Willtell
1:30 Mon Jan 8
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Here's another ...
Eerie Descent 7:44 Mon Jul 17
Re: Javier "Chicharito" Hernandez
Would be our best striker since Tevez.
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Willtell
1:29 Mon Jan 8
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I am a smug cunt - where are you these days Lee Trundle?
Willtell 9:18 Mon Jul 17
Re: Javier "Chicharito" Hernandez
Lee Trundle 5:47
Yes of course you thought that. When I'm wrong I'm happy to admit it. Except I'm not wrong except in your tiny mind.
Hernandez is not a lone striker imho and nothing you will say changes that until Hernandez turns out for WH and proves me to be wrong. I hope he does and then you can gloat like a smug cunt instead of a trolling cunt at the moment... HTH
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madeeasy
1:25 Mon Jan 8
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OP great post.
I agree 100% and being there today felt for him and he must really be hating playing for our club right now.
Funny that what we always needed was a player that could score 15 to 20 goals a season.
We now have him and yet get in a dinosaur of a manager that plays him pretty much as a lone striker.
I'd rather we got rid of Moyes and kept Hernandez and got someone in who plays to his strengths.
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ironsofcanada
12:38 Mon Jan 8
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Razzle 12:20 Mon Jan 8
Ha. Correction. He was a bit part player (some very important bits) alongside world class players at Man U and Real Madrid.
At Leverkusen he was a regular starter in the League and Champions League until a new manager came in and he was already rumoured out the door as his contract was going into its last year.
And to say just he was sold because Leverkusen was in the bottom half of the table (12th) is of course just part of the story. He was going into last year of his contract and lots of people knew what he could do.
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga-tv/blmd21n-augsburg-1-3-bayer-leverkusen-highlights-434120.jsp
This is less than a year ago. And in a year when his team struggled a bit. (He had 13 goals compared to 26 the year before.) I don't think he is suddenly garbage.
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El Scorchio
12:35 Mon Jan 8
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It's all a symptom of having a poor central midfield who don't offer anything like enough in attack.
But to be honest he's looked pretty disinterested for most of the time he's been here. It would be absolutely no loss at all if he was moved on unless we really revamped the midfield with players capable of getting us into the opposition box consistently- at least more than about 4 times a game.
In short we really aren't playing to his strengths which you can forgive him for, but I really don't think he's giving his all either.
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